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Overcoming Injustice... with Justice - 21 Muharram 1433 A.H.

12/16/2011

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Today's khutbah was an intersting one.

I attended the Jummah Khutbah in Champaign, IL, at the mosque at the U of I campus.

I will say that the majority of the khutbah was fairly good, although there were a few points upon which raised eyebrows could be seen.
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The khateeb led us in a nice overview of the justice system in Islam, using verses from Surah Nisa and various Hadith. The issues arose with the stories he was quoting. Rather, he didn't specify how valid these stories were. For instance, a very strange story, one which I have never heard before, explained justice as it was understood by the murderers of Uthman (R).

He explained that one of the murderers admitted that out of the ten times he stabbed the Khalipha, that three were for God and that the rest, seven, were for him, some personal grief he had with Uthman (R). Bizarre. The Khateeb did well to explain that the murderer felt justified in his murder of Uthman (R), referring to the first three stabs he executed upon the body of the third Khalipha. That Uthman had been unfair and that he favored his family. Hence, he had to be killed. The Khateeb then finished saying, "Which of course these accusations were unfounded."

Two points, firstly, thinking someone is unfair in their treatment towards one is not just cause of murder. Secondly, historically speaking, Uthman (R) did show some favoritism, but we don't pretend to know the reasoning behind that, we honor and respect all the Khaliphas and don't presume to know their intentions. Especially the Khulipha Ar Rashidun, the four rightly guided caliphs. What the khateeb said was just bizarre, I really wish he had cited the source of this "historical fact."

I won't go on about the Khateeb, he did a good job for the most part, I am happy with that. What is worthy of mention is the lack of proper adab of the people that came to pray at the mosque today. I still don't understand why people pray the Sunnah during the Khutbah, I explained in an early post why I thought this. But, fine, I can accept that some people just won't stop doing this, but why, why oh why, do you have to come, stand RIGHT in front of me, and start praying. It's almost obscene, think about that, what positions does one take when praying? It's really disrespectful I think, when there is plenty of room behind, why interrupt someone else's prayer with a prayer that should not even be prayed during the Khutbah?

I am constantly reminded of the lack of adab found amongst many Muslims. Adab means manners, by the way. Our noble Prophet Muhammad (S) said he came to perfect our religion, through perfecting our character, which is reflected in our manners,  our adab.

Perhaps if we all realize this point, attempt to better ourselves and enhance our characters and not our egos, we may better our condition, as individuals, and maybe even as a community.

[Abu Fulan]

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9 Comments
Anonymous
12/19/2011 04:00:21 am

You talk about adab during Jummah and in general of the Muslims. Is it proper adab to be taking pictures and video recordings of the khutbahs, considering the khutbah is half your Salah?

Some food for thought.

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Khutbah Khaos link
12/19/2011 04:13:05 am

The pictures were taken during announcements. Thank you for asking for clarification.

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Khutbah Khaos link
12/19/2011 04:18:03 am

As for the video. The video was recorded during a Jummah Khutbah at UIC. The brothers that organize this khutbah have made it clear several times that the talk that is given in English is not the "real" khutbah (the real one is the second one in which they recite the appropriate duas and verses), they have even engaged the audience on several occasions like it's a question and answer session. If you do not believe me, I am sure you can easily find out from someone who regularly attends these Jummahs at UIC. The goal of this site is not to mislead but to educate, I apologize if you feel misled, I hope this clarifies any further inquiries you may have regarding our tactics.

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Salik
12/19/2011 07:09:31 am

Salam, stumbled across this blog. I hope this message finds you well. Just wanted to give my two cents in saying that I think it is in better adab to not judge other Muslims so harshly, given that we do not know for what reasons they may carry out certain actions-- for example, it is very reasonable to assume that the people who come in and pray sunnah during the khutbah were taught that there is no harm in doing so. Islam is a broad religion with many interpretations and I think that Muslims ought to recognize that when dealing with one another. For example, the hanafi, maliki, and hanbali madhabs maintain that it is wajib for men to wear a beard. The shafi'i madhab, however, does not. However, ALL of these opinions are legitimate. Therefore, if I were to judge a brother by his lack of beard as a poorly practicing Muslim, that would be wrong of ME because for all I know he is someone who has been taught that it is not necessary in Islam-- and he would be correct in his belief because that is a valid opinion in Islam.

Criticizing Muslims on other practices, that in fact do harm the ummah-- such as gossiping, and being narrow-minded such that others are repelled from Islam-- that, on the other hand, I think is something worth doing. We as an ummah should turn our energies to worrying about those kinds of things as opposed to such small matters as people praying sunnah during the khutbah or not referring to Imam Bukhari as Imam.

Just my two cents. Didn't mean to offend; I am sorry if I did.

Salam.

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Khutbah Khaos link
12/19/2011 07:29:06 am

Thank you Salik for your generous comment. I agree very much with your comments, the different madhabs are indeed legitimate in how they address certain issues. The Prophet Muhammad (S) said that the differences of opinion amongst his Ummah is a mercy for us. Thus proving what you said to be true and fair.

However, there is absolutely no difference of opinion, at least amongst traditional scholars, regarding how one prays during the Jummah prayer. I am sure you can agree with me that the Khutbah is part of your salaah, like the person who commented first on this post explained. So how can it be valid, in any madhab to pray your Sunnah prayer while the Fard prayer is going on? It's basically the same as one praying their Sunnah and Fard prayers for 'Asr simultaneously. Which is incorrect.

Thank you for your comment, no offense was taken whatsoever, we appreciate your consideration. What do you think regarding the rest of the article?

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Zayd
12/19/2011 06:29:56 pm

In Sahih Muslim, prophet Muhammad pbuh stoped his khutba and asked a new comer to pray the tahiyyah before he sits.

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Khutbah Khaos link
12/20/2011 01:29:24 am

Sure, I can believe that. Did the article mention that the Khateeb stopped his Khutbah to allow the latecomers to pray? No, it did not. So sit down, listen to the Khutbah, and don't disturb others. It's surprising to me how we are getting caught on one little part of the article and khutbah. Then again, that is to be expected from many Muslims today, hence becoming the impetus to establish this website. To perhaps help us all move past the trivial.

I mention the trivial in order to show that it is exactly that, trivial. Why not comment on the rest of the article? Why not comment on previous posts discussing blatant misinformation and inaccuracies? I am as eager as anybody to engage in a healthy debate, but let's discuss something that's not so little or contrived.

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Ashik Huso
12/21/2011 12:33:21 pm

We do not take one random Hadith and make judgments from it, especially as laymen. According to the 'ulama' of the most noble Hanafi madhhab praying anything after the khutbah has started is expressively FORBIDDEN. Please read this for a scholarly explanation of the issue:
http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2274&CATE=122

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10/5/2012 09:12:27 pm

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